Newbie help, predicate confusion



On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 08:59:21AM -0800, Richard Fateman wrote:
> Try algebraic:true;
>  tellrat(a^5-2*a^3-8*a-2);
> rat(a^6-1);
> rat(1/a^8);
> etc/

So, this lets you work in a global polynomial ring
R[a]/(a^5-2*a^3-8*a-2)?  If I want to use more than one polynomial, do
I have to construct a groebner basis by hand or is it automatic?  The
info page doesn't seem to say.

> maybe not quite what you want, yet.  The 3rd root???  Historically
> the roots have been represented by a pair: an interval and the
> defining polynomial.

Aha!  Intervals make much more sense.  I've always wondered about
this; (it's certainly seems easy to account for such intervals under
addition and multiplication!  I wasn't even really sure about how to
order the roots!)  Actually, do you use intervals of the line or
squares on the complex plane?  I just heard about this basic idea very
informally from somebody in a conversation at lunch once and it seemed
really cool, but when I tried to develop an algorithm for the addition
myself I fell on my face!  :( Say, do you happen to know of any books
or papers I can read on the subject?

> For polys of several variables (defining algebraic functions rather
> than algebraic numbers) the algorithms are harder and I think not in
> maxima.

Sounds really hard!!

> >So is this an instance where scheme differs from most lisps?: In MIT
> >Scheme:
> >
> >  1 ]=> (((lambda (x) (lambda (y) (+ x y))) 1) 2)
> >
> >  ;Value: 3
> >
> >and in clisp:
> >
> >  [6]> (((lambda (y) (lambda (x) (+ x y))) 1) 2)
> >
> >  *** - EVAL: ((LAMBDA (Y) (LAMBDA (X) (+ X Y))) 1) is not a function name
> 
> This is not the difference.   In clisp  you probably have
> to write #'(lambda ...)   instead of (lambda ...) and you
> would get the same thing as in scheme.

Oh, alright.  I need to learn more lisp.

>   (setf x 23)
>   (defun g(x)(h))
>   (defun h()  x)
> 
> (g 200)  ;  dynamic scope returns 200, static scope (scheme-like) 
> returns 23.

Still decoding this...

Thanks for your patience,
  Carl