Maxima can't solve this integral equation

Radcan does not work for me.  What is going on?

This is the line and output copied from wxMaxima.

(%i2) radcan(sqrt(1-z)*sqrt(1+z)*sqrt(1+z^2));
(eq2) sqrt(1-z)*sqrt(z+1)*sqrt(z^2+1)




 ------------Original Message------------
From: "Richard Hennessy"<rvh2007 at comcast.net>
To: "Raymond Toy" <toy.raymond at gmail.com>
Cc: "Maxima List" <maxima at math.utexas.edu>, "Stavros Macrakis" <macrakis at alum.mit.edu>, "Raymond Toy (RT/EUS)" <raymond.toy at ericsson.com>, "Barton Willis" <willisb at unk.edu>
Date: Sat, Jun-28-2008 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Maxima] Maxima can't solve this integral equation

Line 3 should be 

(%i3) makegamma(integrate(1/sqrt(1-z^(2*n+m)),z,0,1));
(%o3) (sqrt(%pi)*gamma(1/(2*n+m)))/((2*n+m)*gamma(1/(2*n+m)+1/2))

Oops,
Rich



 ------------Original Message------------
From: Raymond Toy <toy.raymond at gmail.com>
To: "Richard Hennessy" <rvh2007 at comcast.net>
Cc: "Barton Willis" <willisb at unk.edu>, "Raymond Toy (RT/EUS)" <raymond.toy at ericsson.com>, "Stavros Macrakis" <macrakis at alum.mit.edu>, "Maxima List" <maxima at math.utexas.edu>
Date: Sat, Jun-28-2008 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Maxima] Maxima can't solve this integral equation

Richard Hennessy wrote:
> This is off topic but pretty cool.
>
> (%i1) declare(n,integer)$
> (%i2) declare(m,integer)$
> (%i3) makegamma(integrate(1/sqrt(1-z^(2*n+1)),z,0,1));
> (%o3) (sqrt(%pi)*gamma(1/(2*n+m)))/((2*n+m)*gamma(1/(2*n+m)+1/2))
>
> Thanks to Raymond who wrote this code.  I think this probably has something to do with spheres in n dimensional space.  But I don't have a proof.
>
>   
Umm, I didn't write the code.  I might have hacked on parts of it, but I 
didn't write it.

FWIW, I was curious to see how maxima could calculate the integral.  
(Your example must have some errors since the integrand is a function of 
n, but the result is a function of n and m!).  The integral is, 
essentially, a complete beta integral, which can be obtained by the 
substitution x = z^(2*n+1).

Finally, I'm pretty sure sqrt(1-z^4) = sqrt(1-z)*sqrt(1+z)*sqrt(1+z^2) 
for |z| <= 1.  At least in this range, all of the arguments to sqrt are 
alway positive.  radcan shows that they are the same.

Ray

> Rich
>
>
>
>
>  ------------Original Message------------
> From: "Richard Hennessy"<rvh2007 at comcast.net>
> To: "Barton Willis" <willisb at unk.edu>, "Raymond Toy (RT/EUS)" <raymond.toy at ericsson.com>
> Cc: "Stavros Macrakis" <macrakis at alum.mit.edu>, "Raymond Toy" <toy.raymond at gmail.com>, "Maxima List" <maxima at math.utexas.edu>
> Date: Fri, Jun-27-2008 8:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Maxima] Maxima can't solve this integral equation
>
> I think I can customize Maxima to do this automatically with matchdeclare, defrule and tellsimpafter, but it is harder than it looks.
>
> (e.g.)
>
> (%i1) sqrt(1-z)*sqrt(z+1)*sqrt(z^2+1);
> (%o1) sqrt(1-z^4)
>
> and 
>
> (%i2) 1/(sqrt(1-z)*sqrt(z+1)*sqrt(z^2+1));
> (%o2) 1/(sqrt(1-z^4))
>
> Rich
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>  ------------Original Message------------
> From: "Richard Hennessy"<rvh2007 at comcast.net>
> To: "Barton Willis" <willisb at unk.edu>, "Raymond Toy (RT/EUS)" <raymond.toy at ericsson.com>
> Cc: "Stavros Macrakis" <macrakis at alum.mit.edu>, "Raymond Toy" <toy.raymond at gmail.com>, "Maxima List" <maxima at math.utexas.edu>
> Date: Fri, Jun-27-2008 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Maxima] Maxima can't solve this integral equation
>
> I was wondering about that, I tried it but did not get [-1,1].  I tried to reproduce the change of variables as below but the limits of integration were not [-1,1] after I did it.  Also 
>
> (%i1) integrate(1/sqrt(1 - -1*sin(x)^2), x, 0, %pi/2)
> (eq1) integrate(1/sqrt(sin(x)^2+1),x,0,%pi/2)
> (%i2) changevar(%,sin(x)^2-z^2,z,x);
> `solve' is using arc-trig functions to get a solution.
> Some solutions will be lost.
> (eq2) integrate(1/(sqrt(1-z)*sqrt(z+1)*sqrt(z^2+1)),z,-1,0)
>
> I believe the last output can be changed to 
>
> (eq3) integrate(1/(sqrt(1-z^4),z,-1,0)
>
> but Maxima will not do it.
>
> Try to enter 
>
> sqrt(1-z)*sqrt(z+1)*sqrt(z^2+1)
> factor(%)
> expand(%)
> radcan(%)
> ratsimp(%)
> ratsimp(%),algebraic
>
> and you will not get sqrt(1-z^4)
>
> but I think they are the same because by trying 
>
> sqrt(1-z^4) = sqrt(1-z)*sqrt(z+1)*sqrt(z^2+1).
> at(%,[z=any old number])
>
> the answer is always the same unless there is some special case I don't know about where they are not (like 
> z = (-0)*minf.
>
> Rich
>
>
>  ------------Original Message------------
> From: Barton Willis <willisb at unk.edu>
> To: "Raymond Toy (RT/EUS)" <raymond.toy at ericsson.com>
> Cc: "Richard Hennessy" <rvh2007 at comcast.net>, "Stavros Macrakis" <macrakis at alum.mit.edu>, "Raymond Toy" <toy.raymond at gmail.com>, "Maxima List" <maxima at math.utexas.edu>
> Date: Fri, Jun-27-2008 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Maxima] Maxima can't solve this integral equation
>
> -----maxima-bounces at math.utexas.edu wrote: -----
>
>   
>> FWIW, I think integrate(sqrt(1-z^4),z,-1,1) is 4/3*elliptic_kc(-1).
>>     
>
> The definite integral can also be expressed in terms of gamma functions.
> Unfortunately, you need to give Maxima a hint:
>
>
> (%i15) integrate(sqrt(1-x^4),x,-1,1);
> (%o15) integrate(sqrt(1-x^4),x,-1,1)
>
> (%i16) 2 * integrate(sqrt(1-x^4),x,0,1);
> (%o16) beta(1/4,3/2)/2
>
> (%i17) float([float(%), 4/3*elliptic_kc(-1)]);
> (%o17) [1.74803836952808,1.74803836952808]
>
>
> Barton
>
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